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Zombie debt collectors: Should you pay?

by Sam Montana, Staff Writer

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No, this isn’t the latest horror movie, this is something that has been going on and is now becoming a real problem for consumers. This expanding new industry has prompted a flood of complaints to state and federal agencies.

We all know what a debt collector is, this is about debt collectors who are attempting to collect zombie debts. Basically a zombie debt is a debt that is old and maybe you have forgotten about it. So you suddenly get this call out of the blue from a debt collector stating you owe this money. What usually happens is another debt collection agency buys an old debt from another agency for pennies on the dollar, and this new collection agency starts aggressively trying to collect.

Many times these debts weren’t even valid debts or for other reasons such as identity theft aren’t valid debts. The consumer with a lot of work finally gets it cleared up years ago, but somehow these new debt collectors get a hold of this debt and start trying to collect on it starting the whole mess over again.

Other times these collection agencies will buy old debts that were charged off a long time ago and then use a credit scoring search to determine who would be the most likely to pay these old debts. And if you are one of the lucky ones your phone will start ringing. Many of these debts are past the statute of limitations that they can even try and collect the debt. There is a statute of limitations (SOL) when past a certain amount of time it is too late to try and collect on a debt. Each state has their own SOL for certain types of debts. Consumers are getting harassing calls now for debts as far back as the early 1990s.

Here are some of the worst abuses of these debt collectors at this time.

  • Constantly calling and badgering consumers about a debt that has already been paid or has been legally erased through a bankruptcy.
  • Illegally re-aging the debt on credit reports. What the collection agency does here is report to the credit reporting companies that this old debt is really a new debt, which extends the limit of reporting debts past the 7-year limit.
  • Threatening to sue or actually suing you for a debt that is past the statute of limitations.
  • They promise to delete the negative remarks on your credit report if you pay just a small portion of the debt. Be aware of this especially. If you only pay a part of the debt this resets the statute of limitations all over again. If you are going to negotiate a lower payment for the full amount, get this in writing first before paying anything if you owe the debt. Make sure it says full amount paid.

Things you should know:

When does the clock start ticking on a debt, usually it is 180 days after the account first goes delinquent or after you’ve missed your first payment. A negative report cannot stay on your credit report after 7 years (10 years for a bankruptcy).

On your credit report the clock should start ticking when it says date of last activity. But in some states you can restart the clock if you start making payments, agree to a payment plan or even acknowledge the debt is yours. You do not want to restart the clock unless you agree that the debt is yours, is not past your states SOL and the amount is correct. And you have all of this in writing from the collection agency.

Being threatened or actually being sued for a debt that is past your states SOL is a violation of the federal Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (FDCPA). If sued you will have to go to court and show this. Never miss a court date. If you’ve moved to a different state, the rule of thumb is to go with your current states SOL. A credit card is usually considered an open-ended account established under the Truth-In-Lending Act.

Should you pay anyway?

You realize you owe this debt but the statute of limitations has run out, it is still a debt but under your state laws you don’t owe it anymore, but you would like to pay it. Be very careful about this. If you agree to pay and then suddenly you find you can’t pay, you have restarted the clock again and the collection agency can come after you legally and report it on your credit report.

Also, if you pay it can possibly be reported for the next 7 years on your credit report where if you don’t pay it, if would drop off much sooner if not already. And this of course can lower your credit score. You have little to gain and a lot to lose if you continue contact with these debt collectors and they know the SOL has run out. Paying an old debt can play havoc with your credit score.

If your conscious bothers you about never paying this debt than pay it. But make sure you get everything in writing. Do not deal over the phone. If your conscious is bothering you but you don’t want to risk your credit score by paying or talking to these debt collectors you could give the money to your favorite charity.

If you do owe this debt, you know it is yours and the amount is correct and your states statute of limitations is not up, don’t ignore the collection agency, they have a right to collect this debt. They are bound under the FDPCA of your state and the federal government.

If you continue to have problems with these debt collectors and you either don’t owe the money and or the SOL has run out, contact an attorney.

© 2009 Sam Montana

Resources:

National Association of Consumer Advocates legal referrals

Rights and laws for consumers concerning debts

Statute of limitations for all debts listed by state

Fair Debt Collections Practices Act

Fair Credit Reporting Act

Calculating the time frame for a debt

Money Troubles: Legal Strategies to Cope with Your Debts by Robin Leonard

What collection agencies can and cannot do

How to get your free credit report

Credit Info Center collections help forum

 

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Comments & Questions
Clairsie Dotes  Staff Writer - 133 Factoids | + 731 votes

Very illuminating, information-packed article--and especially helpful in today's financial climate with foreclosure/refinance issues, and credit lines shrinking and a broader segment of the population becoming sick to their stomachs every time the phone rings and lying awake at night. AND, whoever knew collection agencies could sell old paper to a new collector? Very scary! Should the Credit Reporting Agencies and their credit scoring systems have this much power over us (there are people who can't afford auto insurance or rent an apartment--not because they've had tickets or accidents, and not because they've been late on the rent before--but because a doctor bill they paid 5 years ago mistakenly got sent to Collection, and they no longer have the cancelled check to prove it, and the collection agency is NEVER going to take their word for it and remove it from their credit record), especially when they have so very many "damned if you do, damned if you don't" rules? I think the reporting agencies should require proof of a default before damning a person's records with a collection, and I think the reporting agencies should ONLY report the facts--the balance, how many late payments, etc., WITHOUT forcing the information (such as what kind of creditor it is) into their ever-changing scoring formulas--the evaluation of the facts, and ONLY the facts, not a preconceived, formulaic statement, should be done by a lender of sufficient experience to make a lending decision instead of a 20-year-old minimum-wage employee who takes someone with a longtime job, good payment record, and good debt-to-income ratio and rejects them because their score has been downgraded for not having ENOUGH accounts. Oh, I'm sorry; apparently this topic gives me rage. Great article!
posted 10 months ago
Kevin Leland  Staff Writer - 173 Factoids | + 793 votes

I'm in a rage over this stuff too. I had a 700 FICO before the housing market crash, and now my score is so low if I even apply for credit I could get arrested for attempted robbery! They are going to have to distinguish between responsible borrowers who had bad timing, and deadbeats. Credit reporting agencies are going to have to get "real" if we are going to get this economy on track again. Hopefully they get around to this right after all the irresponsible lenders get their, ah, I mean "our" bail out money! Great report Sam!
posted 10 months ago
Jerry Walch  Staff Writer - 335 Factoids | + 1195 votes

I'm with Kevin and Clairsie...A really fantastic job here Sam.
posted 10 months ago
Leslie Weller  Factoidz Writer - 17 Factoids | + 49 votes

I agree with this article and the comments by Clairsie and Kevin. Over the years I have tangled with more than one collection agency over their illegal practices, and I have had many of the things mentioned in the article happen to me. I think really it comes down to our representatives at the state level and in congress who allow these agencies to operate in this fashion. Once again, these businesses earn so much money that the campaign contributions flow freely and collection agencies are free to violate the laws whenever and however they wish. I also believe Dateline had a story about this two or three weeks ago. This is good information for people to know!
posted 10 months ago
Sam Montana  Staff Writer - 179 Factoids | + 1387 votes

It is a shame that Americans have to spend so much of their time dealing with illegal practices like this. I guess we should have all gone to law school. This one web site has numerous forums and knowledgable and helpful people on this subject. Not to mention forms and sample letters. http://www.creditinfocenter.com/
posted 10 months ago
Velvet Blade  Factoidz Writer - 14 Factoids | + 37 votes

You rock. This is a great Factoid. Thanks for posting this!
posted 6 months ago
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